Not everyone is scamming, and also not everyone only trade out of necessity. Most people do not get why margin trading should be gone for good. An order's price can only be specified with a maximum precision of 4 significant figures. 100% escrow on the minimum order quantity would remove the scamming without affecting much of anything else. Also, it may muddle the data that CCP is collecting for their mineral changes, since now you have multiple factors affecting price: one is the mineral scarcity, the other is that the market is turned around on its head (which affects all prices, including minerals). No more abuse. It will make no difference to botters. Here's an overview of the changes that are being made. Most of my industry activities are supplemental. I explained how it works here a long time ago. In Upwell structures, the minimum broker fee that can be configured by the structure owner increases from 0% to 1%, adding an ISK sink to the… The removal will greatly hurt the market (less investments) and the small trader. In other words, things will probably get more expensive, people new to trading will have a harder time breaking into this part of the game without the ability to "borrow" money (that's more or less what margin trading does if we over-simplify it) and established, long-time traders with deep pockets will be even more powerful than before. Basically I would have to stop and scale down my trading a lot. So, what does this mean for people who don't trade and don't care? Introducing tick size - a limit on price precision when creating/updating an order. Also the market is so competitive that its not as overpowered as it sounds. level 1 By using our Services or clicking I agree, you agree to our use of cookies. Remove margin trading. ), instead I only visit Jita for the occasional rare mod or obvious save some isk purchase. it can be fixed with a tax. 2. Not for free, you still pay broker fee right? That's an important provider of liquidity for market makers, in real markets and in today's Eve, and it's a mistake to remove it. One is max skilled, three are lets call it 'level 4'. The majority of my gameplay for the last decade plus have been trading and hauling. The nerf to .01 isking i don't mind that much, but the relist fees and the margin trading change will reduce movement of prices and liquidity in the market by a lot. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, Press J to jump to the feed. Sure, .01 isk is not really a cheaper price, but having a few hundred turbonerds undercutting each other all day long in Jita for various amounts does result in lower sell prices. That's an important provider of liquidity for market makers, in real markets and in today's Eve, and it's a mistake to remove it. In total I definitely have around 1000 market orders. Where this will really sting is buying materials in off-regions for local production. I'll adapt, probably by selling off fifty to a hundred billion in assets for more liquidity and reducing the quantities of my regionwide buy orders. Lol the market system is going to be like Albion online now! Putting up a buy order for three billion units Trit in some backwater system station ties up a lot more capital now. There are other ways to deal with margin trading scams - for example orders are automatically taken down if you no longer have the ISK to cover them. It would not simplify the game... but then again if I wanted to play a simple game and be completely mindless I would go play World of Warcrap (hint I quit this one a long time ago when they started designing it to be for babies). It would be interesting for CCP to reply with the logic on why this style of gameplay should be changed? But for anyone starting with low-ish capital it's honestly more important then even accounting or broker relations. Margin trading definitely enables me to have more fun trading, and expands my ability to trade greatly. Why make something that complex ? Without the margin trading skill I could not keep so many buy orders open and definitely not bulk buy orders. If you're station trading with just buy and sell orders and you're limited by ISK and incomming buy orders, this skill has the potential to quadruple your profits by giving you access to way more active buy orders. Prices will take longer to change, there will be fewer buy orders to right click->sell your stuff (and fewer orders means less competition, which means worse prices for you the seller) and smaller stocks of the stuff you casually right-click-> buy, again at worse prices for you as a buyer due to lower competition, or the fact that adjusting prices to remain competitive will cut into the trader's profits too much, so he'll just sit there and wait for you to buy from the expensive dude instead of undercutting him and offering you a lower price. Say goodbye to that. I do not trade in Jita (whaaa? How margin trading helps my gameplay is that it enables me to set up and maintain buy orders in remote (not so busy) markets that typically take longer than 90 days to fill across all 4 accounts without needing an excessive amount of capital for orders that would otherwise expire if I did not renew them. How this has helped the regions is that sometimes these orders do fill (they arent all scams, typically purchasing at 75% of market and occasionally less for junk or bulky stuff). It's one of those silent skills no1 talks about for their real use, so everyone thinks it's only used in margin trading scams. https://forums-archive.eveonline.com/message/3910027/#post3910027. It is not about the margin trading scam, it is because you can easily manipulate the market with ZERO risk. https://forums-archive.eveonline.com/message/3910027/#post3910027. Another idea would be specific markets EG ship trading, materials trading, modules trading bonuses to reduce fees/taxes. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. No need to completely remove it. I'm in no means an economist but this looks like a disaster waiting to happen. Margin trading is designed to allow you to have 10 billion ISK and issue 40 different buy orders for 1 billion, in the assumption that they won't all land together. Most of my main market trading happens in Amarr (mostly buy orders) and the rest of my trade activities are seeding markets in the region I hang out in and surrounding areas (low and high sec but a good 15-20 jumps out from Amarr on average). I PvP when I need to, and occasionally PvE. Cookies help us deliver our Services. The only plus I can see is that a rare scam will no longer happen, which is good but at what cost? We will have to invest 2x-3x the isk for less profit and it will lead to most traders quitting this activity which is definitely bad for the market. If I had to start trading again starting with 100M and could only pick 1 skill (besides order size) to help me build capital, it would be Margin Trading by a long shot till at least 10-30B. Margin trading is designed to allow you to have 10 billion ISK and issue 40 different buy orders for 1 billion, in the assumption that they won't all land together. I typically these days have about 10b wrapped up in trade with margin trading, without margin trading it would be a lot higher (50b?). A more detailed breakdown and justification follows afterwards. 1. I imagine that most people would disagree but I feel sometimes like we need more trading skills and they should be more dramatic EG to the point that setting up a buy or sell order without trading skills would be more expensive than it currently is. It shows CCP doesn't have a real economist employed any more. On the trading front I have out of 10 characters (was 9 a month ago so working towards 12) 4 of them are dedicated traders. Not really since as soon as u can't fulfill the order dies.. 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